John Roderick was a guest on Song Exploder, where he talked about his song The Commander Thinks Aloud from the Ultimatum ep, in honor of the last flight of the Columbia. Song Exploder is a podcast hosted by Hrishikesh Hirway, where musicians take apart their songs, and piece by piece, tell the story of how they were made. The interview was recorded with a live audience.

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